By the same token, in countries such as France and Germany it is the marriage of convenience between trade unions and industrial capital which has precipitated agreements on worker represen- tation in decision-making organs, of enterprises. The systems of ‘workers' committees’ and ‘co-determination’ in France and Ger- many respectively, provide for the participation of workers in discussions concerning organisation, administration and such other matters that affect the efficiency of ‘their’ plants.? Nevertheless, in the majority of countries even these modest at- tempts to involve workers have been more of an ideal than a reality. It has to be noted that in all these countries the institutions which are created are not intended to give the workers yet another forum for airing their grievances against management or for demanding more rewards. These are supposed to be the purview of trade unions. The councils are inte. Jded to ‘tap’ the initiative and creativity of the workers for the benefit of production. Yet it is because of this unrealistic dichotomy — from the workers’ point of view — that many ‘workers’ councils’ systems have met shipwreck. Apropos France, Sturmthal reports that ‘of all institutions creat. d in th~ field of industrial relations at the end of World War Two none has been more disappointing in its prac- tical results than the plant committees’.'® However, he goes on to put the ‘blame’ on the trade unions and the workers for seizing the opportunity to further wage their struggle against the capitalists. The committees in France have tended to change, in his opinion, ‘from instruments of co-operation between workers and management into devices to carry on the class struggle more ef- fectively in the plants.'’ It is difficult to imagine how workers could disinterestedly discuss production and productivity without finally concerning themselves with the distribution of the product. Naturally managements have an interest in seeing that the real state of production is not known to workers, and it is for this reason that even in the cases where the law authorises the workers’ councils to make suggestions on the use of profits, in practice such authority is rarely exercised because of employers’ understandable reticence to provide the workers with all the date and because the councils’ decisions are usually not binding upon the employers anyway. In Sweden, for instance, the councils are entitled to obtain from 189