410 ____________________________________________________________________________________________________________ THE COLLIERY GUARDIAN March 3, 1916. cent., whilst the free acid will be 1*4 per cent. I In the first place, what about bags with this acid content? Some years ago I experimented with nitre cake for this same purpose, but could never reduce the sulphate of soda down to anything like 15 per cent. To my mind it is ian open question whether it is better to adopt this method or to make as much sulphate -as possible by the ordinary method, and waste the rest of the ammonia, or recover it in some other form. I do not think the process is at all suitable for either direct or semi-direct plants, as to work these with the liquor at boiling point would be highly detrimental. On the other hand, if the temperature is below boiling.point an excessive amount of ■ sulphate of soda is deposited. The process certainly cannot be launched into general practice in the off- hand manner which the circular suggests. Other Methods of Dealing with Ammonia. The manufacture of nitrate of .ammonia is out of the question, as nitric acid is more difficult to obtain than sulphuric. Ammonium chloride occurs in all ammoniacal liquor, and recovery of this, .under present conditions, is well worth consideration. The production of crude ammonium chloride is comparatively simple, but the manu- facture of pure salt is not easy under ordinary coke oven conditions. The most attractive propositions are (1) the manufacture of liquefied ammonia., or pure ammonium hydrate ; and (2) the manufacture of concentrated ammonia liquor (containing about 15 per cent, of ammonia.) Of these the latter is by far the simpler process. In this case it is not always necessary to eliminate CO2 and H2S, though if these are reduced a higher price can be obtained for the liquor. The ordinary ammoniacal liquor is distilled, and the steam, ammonia, carbon dioxide, sulphuretted hydrogen, etc., are condensed in a water cooled condenser. The amount of steam must be regulated in order to supply just sufficient condensed water to dissolve the ammonia, etc., and to maintain the strength of the condensed liquor at about 15 per cent, of ammonia. Concentrated liquor exerts a moderate pressure at ordinary temperatures, so that great precaution is necessary to avoid undue loss of ammonia. As the liquor runs into the storage tank the displaced air will carry away with it some ammonia, and in order to prevent losing this I connect up the outlet pipe on the tank to the suction side of the exhauster. Any ammonia therefrom passes again into the scrubbers. The only trouble usually experienced with this plant is the blocking up of the con- denser tubes by ammonium carbonate. In order to obtain a satisfactory effluent liquor more steam has to be put into the still than is necessary to supply the amount of water required to form the concentrated liquor. A reflux condenser must therefore be employed, and with it the strength of the con- centrated liquor can be regulated as desired. As conditions are not always absolutely constant, the strength of the liquor will occasionally rise above 15 per cent., and it is then that trouble with blocked pipes begins. With about 20 per cent, of ammonia the liquor will solidify at ordinary temperatures, so that the condenser needs to be carefully watched, and constant testing is necessary in order to keep the liquor at the proper strength. The way in which the ovens are worked with regard to suction has a very marked effect on the working of the concentrated liquor plant. With suction on the ovens, air is drawn in and carbon is burned. The amount of CO2 in the gas is thereby considerably increased, and this again results in the formation of more ammonium carbonate in the ultimate concentrated liquor, the liability to blockage increasing accordingly. By working our ovens at a rather higher pressure than usual we have found that carbonate troubles have disappeared, as neither air nor flue gases are drawn in. Many processes have been suggested for the partial elimina- tion of CO2 and H2S, but the majority are unsuitable for ordinary practice on account of unnecessarily complicating the apparatus. By preheating the liquor, partial elimination of both C02 and H2S can be obtained, but at the same time some ammonia is also drawn off. To make it worth while, the liquor must be pre-heated to at least 95 degs. Cent. The following table shows the amounts of ammonia, CO2, and H2S eliminated at various temperatures with a particular liquor :— Composition of liquor :— Free ammonia ............ 0-92 gm. per 100 c.c. Carbon dioxide .......... 0-86 ,, ,, Sulphuretted hydrogen .... 0-122 ,, ,, Quantities eliminated per 100 c.c. of liquor :— Temperature. 85° Gent. 90° Cent. 95° Cent. Ammonia ........... 0-054 .... 0-10 .... 0-152 Carbon dioxide ’..... 0-158 .... 0-16 .... 0-304 Sulphuretted hydrogen 0-069 .... 0-071 .... 0-074 The same test carried out under a suction of 60 mm. of mercury gave the following results :— Temperature. 85° Cent. 90° Cent. 95° Cent. Ammonia ........... 0-061 .... 0-132 .... 0-196 Carbon dioxide ....... 0-184 .... 0-203 .... 0-378 Sulphuretted hydrogen 0-072 .... 0-074 .... 0-078 The Disposal of Pitch. The accumulation throughout the country of large quanti- ties of pitch has caused a slump in this product, which has had a corresponding effect on the price realised for tar. The question of the carbonisation of pitch in coke ovens has been brought to notice as a possible means of reducing stocks, and thus helping to improve the outlook for tar. The proposal is that a proportion of pitch should be mixed with the coal before charging. The effect, it is said, would be to improve the quality of the coke, and also of'the gas, whilst there is also the possibility of other advantages. The whole subject is at present under investigation, and I would urge those who are in a position to do so to make a trial, using, say, 5 to 10 per cent, of hard pitch, well mixed into the coal. Experiments, both on a small anyl a large scale, have been made, and the results are distinctly encouraging. If the position with regard to pitch can be eased at all, it will be a great benefit to tar producers. In connection with this subject, it seems opportune to refer to the possibility of State co-operation in technical research. Prof. Bone has frequently called attention to the urgent need for' the establishment of a national bureau to deal with questions of fuel economy and allied matters. We can easily imagine that a great deal of good would result from such an establishment, and in the hands of the right men it would prove to be an inestimable boon to the country. But we must have practical men — men who know the industry thoroughly, and who are fully aware of the nature of all the difficulties we have to face. Benzol Recovery. One could not, under• present circumstances, omit some reference to benzol recovery. Fortunately, I believe opera- tion troubles are comparatively rare in this connection; but m some cases there has been a difficulty in obtaining sup- plies of suitable scrubbing oil. In my own case, by careful attention to the elimination of naphthalene from the oil, I have been able to prolong its working life very considerably. In view of the importance of benzol in the present crisis, it is rather surprising that we have not had some official guidance with regard to the best method of working our plants to produce the largest yield of benzol, etc. I think that the first step which the Ministry of Munitions ought to have taken was to appoint a committee of practical men to investigate the question, and give us all the benefit of those investigations. They should tell us not only what to do, but how to do it. I would like to mention the recovery of crude benzol of less than 65 per cent. In my opinion, it is little short of criminal at the present time to make 65 per cent, spirit, yet we are more or less tied to it by custom and convention. We know perfectly well that when the gas is scrubbed by creosote oil, etc., the latter extracts a variety of products. The general maximum temperature to which the oil is distilled for the recovery of those products is about 135 degs. Cent. Now, we also know quite well that the distillate so produced in the majority of cases is not 65 per cent, spirit, but some- thing less than that. To make it into 65 per cent, spirit, we have to dephlegmate a portion of the vapours. This portion is run back into the scrubbing oil, and almost invariably con- tains both some benzene and some toluene. We ought to recover the whole of the distillate as produced, and to get the same price for it as for crude benzol at present. If our usual buyers will not deal with it, the Government ought to make them. On every hand we are told that more benzol and toluol are required. The result of the adoption of this proposal will be a net increase of several per cent, in the production of toluene. But the Government will not even deal with what benzol we have got, let alone take steps to deal with what might be recovered. For several weeks now I have carried a stock of over 10,000 gals, of benzol, and I am absolutely unable to get it moved, though, when I applied for special labels for conveyance of benzol, etc., I was told that no special labels were required, as tank wagons were always given preference. I would like to press, therefore, the need for same con- certed action on the part of this association in these matters. What can we do to assist the production of .an increased quantity of benzol. We can express our opinions as to the best conditions for its formation and assist one another by giving our experience of our own working. Chemically speaking, benzol is a high-temperature product, and I have found that our yield is substantially increased when car- bonising at high temperature. The naphthalene also is increased, but I do not think this -is any detriment, some, indeed, considering it a distinct advantage. Working the ovens at a pressure of about 5 mm. in the collecting main I have found to be most satisfactory. Suction on the ovens appears to me to be decidedly against a high yield of benzol. The effect of moisture is, I think, also slightly detrimental. In tests which I have carried out on the same class of coal the best results were obtained from dry coal. At the same time I would point out that it has been found that the illuminating value of coal gas is higher from wet coal than from dry, and it is urged, therefore, that the gas from the former is richer in benzol than that from the latter. If, therefore, in the subsequent discussion we can throw any light on the formation of benzol we shall render a distinct service to the country. DISCUSSION. Mr. E. M. Myers, in opening the discussion, said that he was particularly interested in the references to pitch. For about 18 'months he had been experimenting with mixtures of pitch in the proportions of 5, 7|, and 10 per cent, with coial, but had not got very encouraging results, although other people seemed to have had better success. He had found that when.he reached 10 per cent, pitch mixed with slack, the moment the coal was charged in the ovens it was absolutely impossible for the men to get anywhere near the charging taps or to put the lids on for the great volumes of flame and smoke, while as to the effect on the coke, he could find no increase in quality or decrease in the quantity of breeze, or anything to warrant the trouble of mixing the pitch. He thought some means ought to be devised for mixing the pitch with small coke or breeze or breeze dust for the manu- facture of an artificial fuel, having regard to the high price of coal. He believed a very good market might be found for the disposal of such briquettes. Thousands of tons of pitch had been turned out every year in the form of a patent fuel in South Wales especially, for the use of the Belgian State Railways and the railways of France and Italy, and he did not see why British railways should not be forced to use patent fuel. The pitch difficulty was an alarming one, for at his works they were storing some 80 or 90 tons of pitch per week, which, of course, required a tremendous lot of storage space, labour and cost. He had received a circular from the Ministry of Munitions, and they had promised to send down a gas engineer to show how the thing could be done, and he was personally looking forward to a discussion with this gentleman as to how best to eliminate the difficulty of having huge quantities of pitch stored about the works. Another interesting question was the recovery of ammonium chloride. Why should this not be possible without having to buy sulphuric acid, or splitting it up into ammonia liquor. In some cases from 10 to 20 lb. of ammonium chloride per ton were recoverable from coal, without the addition of any acid or the use of stills, and there was a ready market for it, if not in this country in other parts of the world. Why should this salt not be recovered direct in a marketable form? Mr. Cooper, in reply, said he had carried out a con- siderable amount of experimental work with regard to the use of pitch, and he found exactly what Mr. Myers said was quite true with regard to the smoke and flame. He found that with intimate mixing there was less trouble, and also that a moist was preferable to a dry coal. The pitch should be exceedingly hard, which meant that the oily constituents had been removed. That was one of the difficulties to be overcome. He was convinced, however, that there were possibilities in this use of pitch, and that it would result in an improved coke; but it was a matter for investigation, and not likely to be solved without some trouble, and an occasional failure might well be repaid in the ultimate result. With regard to the recovery of ammonium chloride, he quite agreed with Air. Myers that it was foolish to start with ammonium chloride and then split it up into something else; but that was the principle at the root of all their progress—-they always began at the wrong end first. He believed that, under normal conditions, the recovery of ammonium chloride was worth the candle. It was a question, after all, of £ s. d., and he thought as they were situated, in the majority of cases, at present the recovery of ammonium chloride was not the most satisfactory way of dealing with the ammonium chloride which was in the liquor. Mr. J. W. Lee asked if Mr. Cooper had worked the pitch question on the same'basis of £ s. d. Mr. Cooper : Yes. It was not worth bothering with otherwise. They put in so much coke product and so much volatile matter, which ultimately came back into the tar, and unless the pitch question was sound from a £ s. d. point of view it was not worth bothering with; but he thought it was sound. Mr. C. P. Finn felt that the Ministry of Munitions had, from a national point of view, made a false step in advising the use of pitch. He would have thought they were more concerned with the carbonising of as much coal as possible in coke ovens, and the recovery of as much benzol and toluol as possible. Taking 10 per cent, pitch, as suggested, and supposing that repre- sented 10 per cent, of the coal which would normally be charged—say, 300 tons per day—that would mean 30 tons of coal substituted by pitch. They did not get the equivalent—3 to 3| gals, of crude benzol per ton of coal. Therefore, they would not really be helping the Ministry of Munitions. He quite sympathised with Air. Cooper in thinking they should get the same price for 60 per cent, as 65 per cent, benzol, but, of course, people who were buying benzol thought differently. With regard to the question of making sulphate of ammonia, and effect- ing economies in the use of acid by substituting nitre cake, he supposed anybody who had got a benzol recti- fication plant would be using the waste acid from benzol washing. He was doing so, and very successfully, by ■ boiling up this waste acid, skimming off the dirty tar, and utilising what looked very strange coloured stuff for making sulphate of ammonia—a raspberry coloured liquor; but he could say that the use of this acid caused a marked improvement in the appearance of the sulphate —it was whiter and cleaner. That was one method of utilising some of the acid otherwise wasted. With regard to nitre cake, he had been making sulphate of ammonia from nitre cake for just over two months—not wholly from nitre cake; he had only been substituting a small portion of sulphuric acid by nitre cake. It was well knowm to all who had made sulphate of ammonia that, in the past, a good deal of sulphate of soda had been used for bringing down the percentage to 24-J-, which wras the standard fixed by the buyer. This led him to think that he could use large quantities of nitre cake, and he arranged to get some for experimental purposes. He used it by working the indirect process of recovery. Normally, in making sulphate of ammonia, they made up a bath of about 63 or 64 Twaddell, and started to blow when they had sufficient salt—just over 60 Twaddell free acids in the bath. They found now that if they had 281b. of nitre cake per bath, immediately they finished blowing the salt they had to Twaddell up to about 10 degs. higher—about 74 made the percentage of free acid about right for making salt which contained 24-6 of ammonia. The amount of free acid must have been a mistake in the Ministry of Munitions circular, because the amount of free acid, in his experience, was 0-19 per cent., which was about the average; he had had 0-25 per cent. They washed out in the centrifugal by means of a small watering can, and obtained salt with about 0-19 per cent, of free acid. With regard to moisture, he had never succeeded in getting below 2| per cent., and nor- mally it was about 3 per cent. Making sulphate with acid, and no nitre cake, he had been able to make it lower. Mr. G. W. Bradley alluded to published results on the decomposition of, hydrocarbons, from which he argued that it seemed impossible to obtain any valuable hydrocarbons by the use of pitch; so that by diluting coal with pitch they were simply displacing coal from the ovens. Mr. Cooper said that, with regard to the use of nitre cake as referred to by Mr. Finn, the most important point was the proportion of sulphuric acid that was saved. To put in a few pounds of -nitre cake in such a quantity that it only reduced the ammonia content of the salt to 24'6 was not worth doing unless they were going in for it on a scale at least as big as the Government stated in the circular. Mr. C. H. Oxley, touching on what Mr. Finn had said with regard to moisture, said he had been used to the wet system, and found that the sulphate contained about 3J per cent, moisture. He had to- dry it artificially to get it down to about 2 per cent, but it went to 2'5 on standing about a month; try as they would they could not get it below 3^ per cent, on turning out. Mr. G. A. Lant apprehended difficulty in getting into the works the -chamber acid of about 110 Twaddell ■strength suggested in the Government circular on the use of nitre cake. Chamber acid was also full of