1344 THE COLLIERY GUARDIAN. June 20, 1913 DRAFT GENERAL REGULATIONS. Proceedings before the Referee. Proceedings were opened on Tuesday before the Right Hon. Lord Mersey, the Referee appointed to hold a reference under section 86 of the Coal Mines Act, 1911, into Draft General Regulations. The following were the appearances:—Mr. Samuel Pope and Mr. Harold McKenna appeared for the Home Office; Sir Thomas Ratcliffe-Ellis represented the Mining Association of Great Britain, and also the National Association of Colliery Managers ; Mr. Robert Smillie represented the Miners’ Federation of Great Britain; Mr. John Tryon represented the South Staffordshire and East Worcester- shire Coalmasters’ Association, Mr. David Dixon repre- sented the Cleveland Mineowners’ Association and the Cleveland Miners’ Association ; Mr. Joseph Walters represented the General Federation of Firemen, Examiners and Deputies Associations of Great Britain, and the National Association of Colliery Deputies; Mr. James Clark represented the Durham Deputies Mutual Aid Association; Mr. Thomas Wright and Mr. Samuel Coulthard represented the Northumberland Colliery Enginemen’s and Firemen’s Association; Mr. John William Sumnor represented the North Staffordshire Underground Colliery Firemen’s and Shotlighters’ Association; Mr. W. B. Charlton represented the National Federation of Colliery Enginemen and Boilermen. Mr. Pope said he appeared with Mr. McKenna, on behalf of the Home Office, in support of these regula- tions. The scheme of these regulations was laid down partly by section 86 of the Coal Mines Act of 1911, which directed that the Secretary of State might by Order make such general regulations for the conduct and guidance of the persons acting in the management of mines, and it partly laid down the procedure that the regulations were to be made by the Secretary of State. Part I. of the Second Schedule was headed “ Procedure for making General Regulations.” Briefly, the procedure was this, that the regulations should be first established by the Secretary of State in draft. That was for the purpose of giving parties who were interested an oppor- tunity of lodging objections if they desired to do so. That draft was issued in January last, and a number of objections had been received by the Secretary of State in consequence of that publication ; and in pur- suance of the directions in the Second Schedule, those objections have been referred for enquiry by a referee. Before the draft regulations were issued conferences took place both between the Mining Association, or, as they might be termed, the owners, and the men, and the Home Office, with a view of getting as large a measure of agreement as possible in connection with the regulations which were proposed, and, since the receipt of the objections, further conferences had been held both between themselves, and between the owners and the men, jointly, and the Home Office, and the object had been, if necessary, to come to agreement upon as many objections as possible, and a certain measure of success had attended that attempt; agreements had been come to upon a number of points. With reference to this draft as a whole, the draft regulations fell into two broad sections. There was first of all general regula- tions as to safety, discipline and such like matters, made under the general power given by section 86 of the Act. That was divided up into parts. With regard to Parts 1, 5 and 6 of the draft, those were a group of regulations which might be spoken of as general regula- tions as regards safety, discipline and other matters referred to in section 86 of the Act, which said:—“ The < Secretary of State may by order make such general regulations for the conduct and guidance of the persons acting in the management of mines or employed in or about mines as may appear best calculated to prevent dangerous accidents, and to provide for the safety, health, convenience and proper discipline of the persons employed in or about the mines.” Those Parts 1, 5 and 6 of the draft were based upon that section. The second broad group of regulations related to specific subjects, 'such as air measurement, lamps, and so on, as to which the Secretary of State was authorised by the Act to make regulations. Those fell under three groups of Parts 2, 3, and 4. He would also explain the relationship between these draft regulations and the rules at present in force in connection with mines throughout the country, and under which the mines were at present working. Under the Act of 1887 each mine had to establish by virtue of the provisions of section 51 of the Mines Act, 1887, what was known as the special rules of the mine; in theory each mine was regarded as a separate unit, and for the purposes of the special rule, but in the course of practice a system arose of agreeing or adopting in a certain district or area the same code of rules to apply to the mines in that district to a great extent. These rules were made under a provision by special procedure laid down in the Act of 1887. The Royal Commission’s very exhaustive investigation led up to the framing of the present Coal Mines Act, 1911. The Royal Commission reported in the following terms upon the subject of these special rules:—“ One of the most noticeable features of the existing codes is that, while they are generally similar in character and deal with the same questions, subject to local differences of custom, yet there is a bewildering divergence, not only in the requirements of the rules, but in the language in which they are couched. There is no doubt a marked difference of practice in certain departments of mining in the different coalfields, and it may be urged with some force that it would not be practicable to reduce the present rules to one general code identical in require- ments and in language. Since, however, the system of special rules was established, the barriers of local custom and practice have to a large extent been removed, and, subject to local differences of terms, there is room for much greater uniformity in the rules. It is apparent that a considerable part of mining practice is common to all the coalfields, and this has already been recognised in the case of the special rules for the instal- lation and use of electricity. There are many other matters which are equally capable of a uniform treat- ment, such as the provisions in regard to shot-firing, the use of safety lamps, &c., and we think that the time has come for emphasising the similarities rather than the differences of practice in the various coalfields.”. On the following page there was one passage he would like to read :—“ There are obvious advantages in keeping the length of the codes within as narrow limits as is consistent with the interests of safety, since the shorter a code is the easier it is both for workmen and officials to familiarise themselves with its provisions. Uni- formity, so far as it can be attained, would also be beneficial, as it would facilitate administration and the maintenance of discipline.” As a result of that, the Commission recommended that all those special rules which had existed all over the country should be replaced by general regulations, and the draft now before the Referee proposed to repeal all special rules in force under the Act repealed by the Coal Mines Act, 1911, and to substitute for them a code for general application, and that is the code which is now in draft in connection with which the objections have been made. The Home Office in drawing up this part of the code, of course had very carefully considered all the existing codes of special rules, and in the main the proposals in Parts 1, 5, and 6, dealing with matters of safety, were founded on the existing special rules. The aim had been, as far as possible, to preserve continuity, and at the same time to carry out the recommendations of the Royal Commission, to generalise the best features of the existing special rules in the form of a general code. One other point he might refer to. A special feature of the old code of special rules was this, that they worked out in detail the statutory require- ments as to safety contained in the Act of Parliament itself, that is to say, in the Act of 1887. They did that by assigning to different classes of workmen and officials in the mine their respective duties in regard to the carrying out of the statutory requirements. That, of course, tended to make these codes of great length, and the Royal Commission reported against that system. In the present draft the Home Office had accordingly made no similar attempt to work out in detail the statutory requirements as to safety. They were contained in Part 2 of the Act of 1911. The Act itself made sufficient provisions to bring home to the different parties concerned their responsibility for compliance in their respective spheres with the statutory requirements. The general parts of the present draft 1, 5, and 6 were limited to supplementing the various points'of detail and dealing with the duties of particular classes of officials and men which were not covered by the Act itself. On the question of procedure, his suggestion was that it would be most convenient to dispose of each regulation separately before proceeding to the next one. He would also like to say that it would be most con- venient that, as representing the Home Office, he should explain, if necessary, the object of the regulations, and as to what was said with regard to the printed objections. With regard to a number of them, he would call the Home Office mining experts to give evidence, but that would be made as brief as possible. With regard to some of the regulations which were based upon the specific recommendations of the Royal Commission, his case would principally rest upon the considered and unani- mous report of that Commission, and he was fortified in that by the knowledge that his distinguished friends, Sir Thomas Ratcliffe-Ellis and Mr. Smillie, were assenting parties to the report, and they were very important members of that Committee. As regards the objections, they varied very much in importance, and they ranged from raising important questions of principle to points which he thought might prove to be largely matters of phrasing or drafting. Some of the objections which had been submitted contained proposals which in the view of the Home Office and of himself and of his learned junior were ultra vires. They appeared also in one or two other cases throughout the objections. Perhaps he might illustrate it by regula- tion 86 which refer to signalling. The Act of Parliament laid down in simple and explicit terms that there was to be a definite code of signalling established, and the effect of the owners’ proposals, he submitted, was to omit this code that the Home Office had prepared in conformity with instructions under the Act, and to substitute for it a regulation repealing the statutory requirements. He was only saying now that at the time when that regulation came forward, he would submit that such a proposition would be ultra vires. Sir Thomas Ratcliffe-Ellis said that if his objections were taken first, and if he were allowed to call attention to the principal amendments suggested, then he saw no objection to taking them clause by clause. Mr. Tryon said he represented a separate district having special conditions. The witnesses who would have to speak on that subject were practically engaged in their business as colliery managers, and if their objections were scattered here and there throughout the whole of the rules, it would be an extremely inconvenient thing if they, in respect of that particular district, which alone had a particular seam of coal over 30 ft. thick, had to be there all the time. Some of his sugges- tions would be that some of these rules should not apply to districts in South Staffordshire and East Worcester- shire. Mr. Pope said he thought that perhaps the South Staffordshire case might be dealt with separately. The Referee said he thought it would be a very convenient thing if each prepared a statement of objec- tions to the regulations. If it was desired to say anything further, it would be convenient to put it into writing and to hand it in. He doubted very much whether a large number of witnesses were likely to assist very much. ; Mr. Smillie said that Staffordshire and Worcester- shire for some special reason wished to be exempted from these regulations. He would like to hear publicly the reasons for that. Sir Thomas Ratcliffe-Ellis said he had had printed the regulations which were objected to, and he had put in brackets the amendments made by the Mining Association, showing the words they desired to have omitted from the regulations, and in italics the words they desired to have added to the regulations. It was rather more convenient than taking the objections and applying them to the clauses. He had also shown in the margin the amendments which they have agreed with the Miners’ Federation, and with the Home Office, as well as the amendments agreed with the Miners’ Federation, but not with the Home Office. There were some which both sides had agreed to. There were some which had been agreed by the miners and the employers, but which the Home Office had not agreed, and there was certainly one very important [one with regard to which they would support very considerably the Home Office, but which would be opposed by the Miners’ Federation. A number of the amendments depended upon technical experts giving their views upon them. On Regulation 5 the amendments which they proposed were disciplinary regulations ; they provided who should do a particular kind of work. The Act of 1887 was repealed except so far as regards some clauses which were not repealed, but for the purposes of their enquiry the Act was repealed. Under section 49 of that Act there was a provision for the making of what were termed general rules—that was, rules providing for safety in the working of a mine. They were all rules providing as to what should be done and not as to who should do it. Those general rules were to be applicable to the whole of the coalfields of the kingdom, and they were unalterable except by Act of Parliament. But it was quite clear that that was not sufficient. It was not sufficient to say what should be done, but it was necessary to go into some further details as to who should do it; and section 50 of that Act provided that there should be established in every mine special rules for the guidance and the discipline and the safety of the men employed in those mines. After that special rules were established throughout the whole of the mines of the kingdom, and they very soon fell into this position—that with regard to the inspector of the district, all the collieries in his district had the same code of special rules. There were some few exceptions, but generally that was the case. The special rules made under section 50 were made in the way the Act proposed they should be made, but it was competent for either the Home Office or the owner of the mine to make an alteration in those special rules, and if the Home Office and the owner did not agree to the proposed alteration there was a provision that it should be decided by arbitration. Those special rules were established for every mine in the kingdom, and he would take one as an example. One set of special rules was established for Yorkshire and Lancashire, and in those rules it was prescribed what the manager should do, and what the under-manager, the firemen, the deputies, the enginemen, and the boiler-minders should do. Then came a special set of rules for miners, work- men and others, and in those rules what the workman had to do was set out, and not merely as it was proposed by these rules what the official had to do. Now reference had been made to the Royal Commission report, and it was rather suggested by the learned counsel, as far as he understood, that if there were anything found in this report which should be inconsistent with any amend- ments which were now being suggested, the report should weigh. The members of the Royal Commission did their best with the evidence and the information they had before them, but he put it that if the Referee were satisfied that upon any matter affecting safety the Royal Commission went wrong that was no reason why, when there was an opportunity of altering the rules, that mistake should be perpetuated. There was one very short sentence that he would like to read from the Royal Commission Report on the special rules, it was on page 177, and it was this : “ In all the codes the rules imposing duties upon particular classes of officials are grouped together, and this is desirable as it enables men to acquaint themselves more readily with their special duties.” That was the practice in the special rules ; but in addition to the officials being acquainted with their duties, the special rules, as they existed before the passing of the Act of 1911, acquainted the men also with their duties. In the rules which had been put forward by the Home Office, there were provisions describing what the manager had to do, what the under-manager had to do, what the firemen and deputies had to do, and, indeed, what the boiler-minder had to do, but there was nothing expressly imposing upon the workman his duty, and they suggested it was very important that the principle adopted in the old special rule should be followed, and that it was necessary for maintaining the discipline of the mine that the workmen’s attention should be called, not from inference from some other rule, but by a direct obliga- tion being put upon him by the rule itself as to what he had to do, and how he should do it. There had hitherto been rules directing an ordinary workman as to what he should do. He would read one rule with regard to the Yorkshire and Lancashire district. That was Rule 100: “ The miners must build good pack walls and set a