•278 THE colliery guardian. February 9, 1917. they had la certain effect upon the fire killing the volatile matters, which otherwise would rush off. In this ques- tion of gasification of coal, much depended upon the chemical manufacturers. As a nation, we had not put in anything like the research which the Germans had done. If enormous quantities of these substances were needed for chemical works, where were they to come from? Some means of production would have to be adopted. Grading of coal was an essential point. The smudge contents in dry slack must be brought down to a standard figure. A standard calorification and a stan- dard method of testing coal were also needed. Mr. Wyle said during his 13 years’ experience he had examined hundreds of schemes of boiler firing, and never found one that would pay. He knew little of coke oven work, but, so far as he could see, it was not profitable to put down a coke oven primarily for boiler firing purposes; it would be better if engineers would study the existing coke ovens which were put down for the purpose of making, coke. ■ To illustrate the use which might be made of waste gases or the waste refuse from a coke oven plant, he pointed to what was done in Germany and Austria, where, in addition to the power required for the works themselves, electricity was sup- plied for the lighting of villages and the working of electrical tramways. This was the sort of thing which would make this country pre-eminent'., if proper efforts were made to utilise to the fullest its natural resources. The by-products from coal were very important, but, after all, they were subsidiary to its fuel value. The chemical industry did not absorb a great deal of benzol, toluol, and the other substances which had .been men- tioned, and if the distillation of coal was vastly extended, there would be such a glut of these products that an adequate market for them would not be found. Thiei rate of increase in the consumption of sulphate of ammonia before the war did not warrant the’ assumption that the demand would* grow to the extent imagined by some people. Cheap Electricity Essential. Mr. Robertson said they were all agreed that the national supply of fuel should be utilised to the greatest advantage, but whether that could be done in the manner suggested by Mr. Frith was another question. Six years ago Mr. Ferranti put forward a scheme for combining a gas works and the recovery of by-products with the production of electricity. He had' a great admiration for the idea; it seemed quite the right thing to do, but his faith in such a scheme had been under- mined by Mr. Frith’s paper. If the proposal now put forward was the best that could be done, there was little chance of Mr. Ferranti’s idea being realised. Mr. Frith took an electrical station generating 20 million, units a year, where 22,500 tons of coal was burned directly under the boilers. Then, as an alternative, he put down a gasifying plant which would deal with 250,000 tons of coal in order to get the same amount of electricity. As a result, they would have 180,000 tons of coke for which they must find some use. He could not conceive 'how that problem could be solved satisfactorily. For the future industrial welfare of England, certain by-pro- ducts were needed, and a certain amount of coal must be set aside for their production, but the essential factor was a cheap supply of electrical power. He disagreed entirely with the suggestion that large gas engines should be employed. The development of the internal combustion engine had been a source of acute dis- appointment to the engineering industry in this country. Very attractive results were put before them from time to time, but over and over again the end had been failure —and the gas engine had been replaced. The steam turbine was undoubtedly the prime mover for electricity generating. It had advantages which were absent from the gas engine. The larger it was, the more simple the construction; with the gas engine the conditions were reversed. Mr. Frith’s figures of coke at 15s. a ton pro- duced from coal at 8s. a ton should be compared with the coke at 6s. 8d. per ton in another part of the paper. The fact that one was blast furnace coke and the other municipal gas coke, was not a sufficient explanation. Mr. Paton had made very useful suggestions with regard to the problem of the national fuel supply. Coal should be classified and graded according to the purposes for which it was suitable. The large quantities of inferior coal left in mines must also be dealt with. As long as the mines were worked for private profit, the owners would bring up the coal which commanded the best price in the market, and leave the rest until it paid to bring it out. Mr. Lomax said he had been engaged for a number of years in microscopical investigations for the purpose of finding out the nature and quality of various coals, and he was convinced that some seams could be made four or five times more profitable to work. Out of 101b. of coal dust taken from the coal face in one seata, he obtained three gills of the most volatile material for distillation. From another seam, under the same con- ditions, he did not get half the quantity. Much of the material left underground, including what wa