822 THE COLLIERY GUARDIAN. October 22, 1915. of Dover, some little distance from the east coast of Kent, and forming the eastern boundary. Mr. Bolton had not dis- cussed that matter; he simply stated that he had not found any evidence of it. He did not even mention the very weighty considerations on which that conclusion was based. "With regard to the question of continuity of the French coal fields, he (Dr. Arber) had always been at a loss to understand why anyone should wish to show that the rich and productive field of Kent was the same thing as the miserable scrap of lower coal measures situated in the Boulonnais, on the Saddle of Ferques, which was only five miles in length, with a total thickness of the rocks of under l,OOOft. According to all French observers—and there were many—the Pas-de-Calais coal field ended at least 24 miles from the French coast, because it was nipped out by folds. He thought the evidence was absolute that the coal measures did not extend beyond that region. He passed to what he took to be Mr. Bolton’s main con- clusion with regard to the stratigraphy of the field, that the lowest 700 ft. of the measures were marked off litho- logically and palaeontologically from the beds above ; accord- ing to him they consisted of argillaceous sediments in which sandstones were rare, and they contained a fauna in which he particularly emphasised four species, Lingula mytiloides, Orbiculoidea nitida, Productus scrabiculus and Productus longispinus. He said that those occurred in the Vobster series of Somerset, and on the same horizon in the Bristol field. From that he concluded that these 700 ft. of the lower Kent measures belonged to the same horizon as the Vobster beds in Somerset and the Ashton series in Bristol. The rest of the measures, he declared, were essentially arenaceous and, so far as lithology was cencerned, they were identical with the Pennant grit of the Somersetshire field. In that he was repeating the old conclusion which Prof. Boyd Dawkins was never weary of putting before them. These higher rocks, Mr. Bolton told them, had a fauna similar to that of the Pennant and the Farrington series in Somerset, and therefore they were of the same age. The result was that Mr. Bolton got out two horizons each a stage higher than he himself (Dr. Arber) got from the fossil plant evidence. Translating the horizons into palseobotanical nomenclature, Mr. Bolton’s upper coal measures corresponded with his transition coal measures, and Mr. Bolton’s transition coal measures with his middle coal measues. That he thought, was the difference between them, and he would like to criticise, perhaps somewhat severely, the evidence for those conclusions. With regard to the lower series of Mr. Bolton, he doubted very much whether they were lithologically distinct from the higher beds. He had never been able to see any marked difference in the sediment of the lower part of the measures as compared with the upper. He had examined all the borings very carefully, and to his certain knowledge 25 to 30 per cent, of the rocks in those lower beds were sand- stone. But has chief criticism rested on the fact that none of the fossils, especially the four he had named on which Mr. Bolton relied, were in any degree confined to any horizon. They not only occurred in every horizon in the coal measures, but in all horizons of the lower carboniferous sequence. He was not a specialist upon the fresh water mollusca, but he met them commonly in borings and knew something of their vertical distribution. Lingula mytiloides was one of the commonest. He had found it in the lower coal measures of Leicestershire, and it also occurred in the middle coal measures of North Staffordshire. The same remarks applied to a number of other forms. Mr. Bolton appeared partially to realise the weakness of his position in this respect when he quoted Dr. Hind, who was a great authority upon mollusca, and he attempted to get over the difficulty by speaking of “ an acceleration or shortening up of the coal measure period ” in the south-east of England. That seemed to be the last 'refuge of the stratigraphically destitute. It was totally opposed to the whole principles of stratigraphical geology, and the plant evidence alone 'was sufficient to show that it was not true. Nothing of the sort took place, nor was it even conceivable that it could have taken place. If they accepted that theory they would have to regard the lower carboniferous rocks of Scotland as the same thing as the coal measures of England and the Stephanian rocks of central France as the same as the Westphalian rocks of Northern France and Belgium. There was abundant evidence that those hypotheses were false. With regard to the upper series which both Mr. Bolton and Prof. Boyd Dawkins declared to be the Pennant grit, he wished to refresh the memories of the members as to what was found in the Somerset coal field. In the top measures there was a great thickness of productive beds separated by a well-marked and very constant horizon of red shales, >about 200 ft. thick. In Kent there was no trace of red shales, but he did not emphasise that point, because probably the higher beds of Kent were underneath the English Channel, and had not yet been reached. Then below that productive series there was a great thickness, 2,000 ft. or more of Pennant grit which was always entirely unproductive except in the lower part which, lithologically, was a rock, and was quite unmistakable. In last year’s paper he pointed out that he knew of no bed of sandstone in Kent which exceeded 300 ft.; he had examined practically every boring in the centre and south of Kent, and he had never met a really massive sandstone of any thickness beyond 100 or 200 ft. Where did Mr. Bolton get his great thickness of sandstone? If he was going to add together the sandstone beds proved in the different borings, surely he must first correlate them. But he expressly told them that he had not attempted the correlation. It was hardly conceivable that anyone could make such assertions without at least having made a provisional temporary correlation. The coal measures of Kent contained sandstone and shale in, as a rule, about equal proportions. There were a few borings which were a little more sandy than shaly, but he knew of no boring where the sandstone amounted to 50 per cent, of the whole measures. The fauna of those higher beds no doubt did occur in the Farrington series and the Pennant grit, but if it was looked into they would find it was just as widely distributed among the whole of the beds in the coal measures as was the flora of the lower beds to which he had referred. To his mind, the fauna evidence relied upon by Mr. Bolton with regard to the horizon was worthless. What was required with regard to the fresh water mollusca was more studies of the vertical range of those fossils, and especially of the stages in the evolution of the groups during the carboniferous period. It was quite idle to pretend that at the present time those stages in the evolution of groups had been recognised or worked out, and until that had been done it was little short of presumptuous to attempt to zone an entirely concealed coal field by means of these fossils. With regard to the plant evidence he need hardly remind the members that the fundamental principles were perfected long ago. The assertion that the highest known beds belonged to the transition coal measures did not rest on his own words; it was made many years ago by the greatest authority on the coal fields of France, Prof. Zeiller, of Paris. The term which Prof. Boyd Dawkins, when criticising his paper, disliked so much, was not his term; it was invented many years ago. All he had done was to show that the transition coal measures proved by Zeiller in the original borings at Dover extended for a considerable distance to the north, and that further north still they met with a lower horizon the middle coal measures. Of course, each was a stage lower than was postu- lated by Mr. Bolton in his paper. He did not propose to enter into the floral matters, but he should like to say that those conclusions rested on an entirely different philosophy to that which was made use of in the paper under discussion. To those who were inclined to place the fauna evidence on a higher plane than the floral, he would point out that among the fossil flora (excepting a few extremely stereotyped forms, such as stigmaria, which did not affect the question at all), none were known which had anything like the vertical range in the whole of the carboniferous period than. had these particular types indicated by Mr. Bolton, on which he had relied for his horizon. Therefore, he regretfully concluded that the paper threw no light at all on the many problems which still remained in connection with this concealed coal field. Mr. E. O. Forster Brown (London), in the course of a written contribution, said he had read Mr. Bolton’s paper with much interest, particularly that portion relating to the stratigraphy of the coal field. It was unfortunate that Mr. Bolton had not seen his way to avail himself of all the infor- mation obtainable on which to base his conclusions. He had dealt with the results of 15 boreholes, whereas more than half as many again had been put down in the field, several of which passed through the coal measures into the carboni- ferous limestone. He was in agreement with Mr. Bolton’s general conclusions on the contour of the carboniferous lime- stone floor where proved by borings, but did not quite follow why Mr. Bolton had flattened the contours of that floor to such an extent in the Barf-restone. Maydensole, Waldershare, and Stonehall area, where the carboniferous limestone was not proved by borings. In contouring the floor on a.plan, he found verv little evidence of any easing up of the dip where the floor had been proved in the deeper borings, either in a south-westerly direction from the Ripple-Oxney neighbour- hood, or in a southerly direction from the Trapham-Stod- marsh-Walmestone neighbourhood. Possibly he was misled as to the shape of the plaster model by the photograph, but he did not think so, and he was strengthened in this view by the remarks on the Stonehall boring. Mr. Bolton stated that the limestone floor at that point could not be much, if at all, deeper than 3,700ft., and then.went on to say that, in constructing a model of the carboniferous limestone floor, it did not appear possible to carry its surface down to the 4.000 ft. datum level on the south side of the Dover-Canter- bury-Sandwich triangle. He could not quite follow what had led Mr. Bolton to that conclusion. The evidence seemed, if anvthip’SL to point the other way. Turning to the subdivision of the coal measures into an upper series of sandstones, binds and coals and a lower series of shales, binds and coals, he thought that was a preferable and certainlv a simpler subdivision from a practical point.of view than the one adopted by Dr. Arber. Mr. Bolton said, “It is probable that the lower beds successively overlay each other upon the limestone from the south-west to the north- east,” and, in referring to the Kent lower series, “ as they evidently seem to overlap in the north-east, a much greater development of them may yet be found in the south and west, but at a great depth.” From those statements, it appeared tha4 the author was of opinion that the coal measures were not conformable to the carboniferous limestone. If that were so, it was a very important point. He could not reconcile those statements, however, with the remarks on the Stonehall boring (the most south-westerly boring dealt with). Tn regard to these, he asserted that “ the lower shales and binds were not reached in the boring at Stonehall, although the coal measures were penetrated to a depth of 3.470 ft.. and as the limestone floor at that point could not be much, if at all. deeper than 3.700ft.. it was highly improbable that the whole of the lower coal measures were anywhere present.” If his conclusions were correct, the maximum thickness of lower coal measures that could exist at Stonehall would be 230 ft.. whereas further north and east, at Barfrestone, Ripple, and Oxney, Mr. Bolton had given thicknesses to that series in excess of that figure. That seemed to contradict altogether the previous statement that a greater thickness of lower series would probably be found to the south and west. He was very much struck, in the description of the Stone- hall boring, bv the repeated reference to the occurrence of thick coals. It was a well known fact that the borehole records in Kent, almost without exception, showed, compara- tively few thick seams in the upper sandstone series, and a comparatively large number of thick coal seams in the lower shale and bind series. No shafts in the conntv had yet reached the lower series; the shaft developments in the upper series, however, had gone a long wav to confirm the limited number of thick coal seams present in the upner series, as indicated by the original borehole records. The Stonehall boring, according to Mr. Bolton, had proved nothing but upper series, which, nevertheless, at that point, appeared to be full of thick coals. They were referred to at nine separate horizons, and the question naturally arose whether the geological conditions at that boring were altogether normal, and such that reliable conclusions could be based on them. Tn that connection he observed that on fig. 1. plate 7. the Chilton borehole, close to Stonehall, was shown, although that borehole was nowhere referred to in the paper. Tn v;ew of its proximity to the Stonehall boring, it would be interesting to have Mr. Bolton’s views on the measures proved there, and the extent to which they bore out his views on the Stonehall boring, the probable relative thicknesses of the upper and lower series, and the depth to the carboniferous limestone floor in the Stonehall neighbourhood. The discussion was again adjourned. North Staffordshire Institute of Mining and Mechanical Engineers.—The 43rd annual meeting will be held at the Central School of Science and Technology. Stoke-on-Trent, on Monday, at 4 p.m. The president will take the chair, and will deliver an address. The following papers will be open for discussion :—” Coal Dust Explosions,” by Mr. J. D. Morgan; “ Notes on Sampling.” by Mr. T. W. D. Gregory, F.C.S. MIDLAND COUNTIES INSTITUTION OF ENGINEERS. ANNUAL MEETING AT NOTTINGHAM. The annual meeting of the Midland Counties Institution of Engineers was held last Saturday at the University College, Nottingham, under the presidency of Mr. G. S. Bragge (Moseley). The Acting Secretary (Mr. P. W. Lewis) announced that Mr. Thomas Henry Harwood, mining engineer, of London-road, Derby, had been elected a member, and Mr. Jno. Parker, under-manager, Pleasley Colliery, near Mansfield, an associate of the institution. Annual Report. On the motion of the President, .the annual report and statement of accounts were taken as read and adopted. The council expressed its regret that a decrease was again shown in the membership, the total number on the roll being 356, as com- pared with 367 last year, and 375 in the year before. On the other hand, the financial position showed a steady improvement, the bank balance being 42718 14s. 3d., as compared with £519 3s. 7d. last year, and £443 14s. 2d. in the year before. The report adds that the world war which broke out during the past year has not been without its effect on the institution. To the list the Midland Counties Institution has contributed the names of 23 members, one associate member, four associates, and 10 students. The council regrets to report that two members—Messrs. James Lancaster and W. Hutton- Williams; and two students—Messrs. N. C. Parry and S. P. D. Thomson—have been killed in action. Election of Officers. Messrs. Evans and Todd, who were appointed to act as scrutineers of the ballot papers, reported that the election of officers for the year 1915-16 had resulted as follpws :—President, Mr. G. S. Bragge. Vice-presi- dents : Messrs. H. O. Bishop, R. H. F. Hepplewhite, B. McLaren, P. Beaumont, E. E. Bramall, and T. G. Lees. Councillors : Maj. T. P. Barber, Lieut. H. Dennis Bayley, Messrs. J. Bingley, R. W. Cuthbertson, R. H. Ferens, J. Mein, G. Spencer, W. eE. Walker, C. Dickinson, C. R. Hewitt, C. M. Haslam, and F. N. Iliffe. Ex-officio members of the council for ensuing year: Lieut.-Col. R. P. Leach, Messrs. J. A. Longden, M. H. Mills, W. D. Holford, Maurice Deacon, W. B. M. Jackson, W. G. Phillips, G. J. Binns, W. Hay, J. Piggford, J. P. Houfton, W. H. Hepplewhite, and H. E. Mitton. President’s Address. Mr. G. S. Bragge, in a short presidential address, thanked members for the honour they had done him in re-electing him, and for support they had given him during the past year. In times such as the present it was impossible that an institu- tion like theirs should go on with the vigour usual under ordinary conditions—in fact, it was scarcely desirable that it should. In saying that, he did not wish to discourage them from writing papers—on the contrary, he appealed to them for all the help they could give in that direction. He admitted the difficulties in the way, but the incentives offered in the valuable prizes given by past-presidents ought to lead to more papers being forthcoming. He would also like to impress upon the younger members the fact that the preparation of a paper would show them where their knowledge was deficient, and thus indirectly prove a means of instruction to them. Many of the members—he trusted nearly every one of them—had sons, brothers, or other relatives at the front, and were naturally somewhat pre- occupied, while all actively engaged in their profession had special difficulties to contend witn in their work in the way oi shortage of men and material, as foreshadowed in his remarks a year ago. Those difficulties, no doubt, would increase. The output of their pits had no doubt suffered in a greater proportion owing to the fact of men of the best age and physique having enlisted. The question of timber or other roof supports, which had been and still was, the subject of interesting and instructive discussions at their meetings, was still a matter of anxiety, and from his own experience he should say that this item was now more than double the cost of what it was some months ago. It was gratifying, but only what he expected, to see in Mr. Johnstone’s report that no cases of accident had been reported in which the supply of timber or other supports to the miners had been reduced on account of the cost. In the inspector’s report of the Yorkshire and North Midland Division the same thing was alluded to. With regard to fatal accidents, the reduction of which was one of their chief concerns, the figures were just about as usual. In this matter of the average expectation of accidents he read a good many years ago that M. Eiffel (whose fame as an all-round engineer had been somewhat obscured by the celebrity of his Tower at Paris) proved from the com- parison of a number of large engineering and constructional works that in the expenditure of a certain number of francs on such works, one fatal accident on the average could be expected. It would be interesting to compare it with the results at collieries in England. Without detaining them longer, he would like to emphasise what he said a year ago about the necessity of being prepared to meet the altered conditions which would be sure to arise in their own profession, as well as in most other industries, when the war was over. Being old enough to remember the effect of the Franco-German war of 1870-71 on the trade of this country, when a few years of great activity spent in replen- ishing the exhausted markets of the belligerents wa-s followed by a very long period of depression, he confessed to viewing the future with some apprehension. In 1871, Germany was not a great industrial and manufacturing nation, as she is now, and when peace was concluded she would be compelled to compete with us even more than in the past for the world’s trade. All the more reason, there- fore, for them to be prepared to meet this competition by keeping their pits in good order.