164 THE COLLIERY GUARDIAN. July 23, 1915. there is no doubt that the increased cost of coal must have represented something, more or less, than ^£20,000,000 over the whole year. This affected every town, every corpora- tion, and every public utility company. The House will remember that on this subject there was an informal Com- mittee a few weeks ago, on which there were perhaps a larger number of private members than have met regularly on any one Committee for a long time, all of whom are interested in the high price of coal. Whatever may be said by my hon. friend who moved the rejection of this Bill, there was no doubt that the consumers, whether manufacturers or householders, did feel the burden last winter more than they could bear, and we felt an apprehension as to what would happen in the coming season if nothing were done to limit prices. My hon. friend suggested that this Bill should be limited only to household coal. I suggest that that would be unfair. It would be unfair not only to the householders, who them- selves are depending on the manufacturing industries, but it would be unfair to the manufacturing industries, and it would be unfair to the State. The State has now large interests in keeping down the working expenses of the rail- ways, and if coal for the railways were to go up 6s. per ton upon last year’s prices the Exchequer would be millions out of pocket. Moreover, the demands of the Navy are larger than they have ever been in the history of the country, and an addition of Is. per ton on the amount of coal which is now being consumed by the Navy would make an enormous difference in the expense of the Navy. There is no doubt that profits which are made by coal owners or any other business men, if they are in excess of last year’s profits, are a taxable subject which will receive the attention of the Chancellor of the Exchequer. Do not let my hon. friend run away with the idea that because this Bill is introduced, the Chancellor of the Exchequer is not also going to lay his hands on what are called “ war profits.” There is no reason why we should not take both sides. The Chancellor of the Exchequer will say, in due course, what his taxation schemes are, but I shall be much surprised if he does not find it necessary to tax excess profits, and to tax them pretty heavily. The unfairness to other trades to which my hon. friend referred I think we may pass over. There is one justice we may do to other trades, and that is to enable them to get their fuel without an exce'ssive charge being made upon them. The necessity for the Bill is proved beyond question, and the necessity for it is made all the greater if the House takes into consideration the great reduction in output and the less reduction in the consumption. The output in the first half of last year — that is, from January to June 1914 — was roughly 142,000,000 tons. From January to June this year the output has been reduced to 127,500,000 tons—that is to say, there has been a drop of 14,500,000 in output. The exports have gone down by about 13,000,000, so that the shortage is reduced or helped by a margin of something like 1,500,000 tons. If you take the internal consumption of coal for domestic purposes, household purposes, manufacturing establishments, works of all kinds, by the Fleet, and on account of the Army, the consumption for the first half of 1914 was roughly 105,500,000 tons. In the first half of 1915 it will be about 104,000,000 tons. That just about makes the two balance. The Naval consumption is so much heavier that it leaves less for the householder and the manu- facturing establishments. With a drop in the output so great, and with the demand for coal being maintained at such an abnormally high level in war time, it is quite clear that the producers of coal, had they been so minded, would have had the markets at their mercy. The coal owners as a class are not as extortionate as some people imagine, but they are pretty shrewd business men, and all business men are anxious to get the largest amount they can for what they have to sell. This applies to every section of the community —employers and employed alike. If the coal owners find offers coming along week by week at increased prices, it is more than we can expect of human nature that they should refuse these offers made to them. I know that many coal owners have been anxious to keep on good terms with their customers in past years, and they have not put prices up to the Full limit which the market would demand. How many contracts that have been made have that sentiment behind them I cannot say, but it is obvious that unless some arti- ficial limit is placed upon prices of coal at the pit head there could certainly have been no reasonable limit of the burden placed upon the consumer. What has led up to this shortage must be obvious to anybody who has any acquaintance with the colliery districts. The heavy enlistment of miners has greatly reduced the numbers in the pits. Not far short of one in five of the miners have enlisted, a proportion which does credit to the miners, and has added greatly to the effective strength of the Army during a period when trench warfare is the custom. There has been a fairly large replacement of those who have gone into the Army, but even allowing for that, we may say that the numbers employed in the pits have been reduced in the proportion of seven to six, and the outputs have been reduced by only 10 per cent. If hon. members are apt in mental arithmetic they will see that the output has gone down less rapidly than the enlistment has gone up. That means that the men who are still employed in the pits have increased their get per man during the period of the war. The cost of working has also increased, but so far as I can ascertain—^and the officials at the Board of Trade and I have taken a good deal of trouble over the figures put before us—it does not appear that the cost of working has gone up in the same proportion as the market price. There is no doubt that all materials have become more expensive, but I shall say a word or two about that later on. The problem by which we are faced is one of great magni- tude, and, like all problems which depend so largely on the great variety of producers in the districts from which it comes, and the great variety of consumers, it has led to an immense number of solutions being suggested. Nearly everyone thinks that he has a simple way of dealing with the situation. I fear there is no one simple way that is likely to be satisfactory, and I must tell the House frankly that I do not believe that this Bill is, or can pretend to be, a water- tight measure. It is purely a measure of expediency. It is endeavouring by rough and ready methods, and the only practical method which has been suggested so far, to prevent prices going up at the pit head to abnormal figures, and in so far as it does that, it will have a dominating effect on the price of coal delivered to the consumer. One suggestion made is that we should take the full range of coal and fix maximum prices all over. Those who make that suggestion scarcely realise what an immense variety of coal is raised and sold in this country. Five or six brands of coal or names of coal are put up in the coal merchants’ establishments in London. They cover a very great variety of coal, although they are only five or six in number. Wallsend coal has long since ceased to come from Tyneside. Derby brlghts may come from any one of the six counties in the Midlands. These coals have assumed a sort of nomenclature, which has no geographical significance, and there is no doubt that in arriving at a description of coal, nothing is more difficult than giving it a name which can be applied to it scientifically. I might point out the great trouble that arises even in a single colliery. Recently I have had brought to my notice one of the large collieries in the North of England where they raise coal from two or three seams, and the variety of coal from those seams is so great that when they get it to the surface they have a dozen different kinds of screenings. I should like any man from outside, when he proceeded to meet the problem in those collieries, to frame a list of maximum prices that would be a sufficient safeguard for the consumer, and would prevent those who had the chance of distributing the coal over the different screens, and also of arranging the different labels when they sell it, from getting to the windward of them. There is no possibility, with the immense variety of coal screening and the treat- ment of coal, of framing a list of maximum prices which would be anything like scientific. Indeed, I am quite sure that if we had embarked on anything of the kind we should have been wasting our time over something purely illusory. The best safeguard which we can give to the consumer is that when he makes his contract with the coal owner, he will be able to compare what is charged him now with what was charged him or somebody like him last year, that he may be able to see how many shillings above the price charged last year is charged for any description of coal in similar con- tracts, leaving the consumer to take care of himself, by enabling him to make sure that under his contracts he will not be charged more than the standard number of shillings per ton. Mr. Booth : The consumer never buys direct from the coal owner. Mr. Runciman : My hon. friend is very much mistaken. Every gas company buys direct. Nearly all the large manu- facturers buy direct in nearly every one of the mining dis- tricts. The only persons who, as a rule, do not buy direct are the ordinary householders, and even this rule is not without exception, because there are many parts of the United Kingdom where even the householders buy direct from the colliery. There is no doubt that the coal owner controls the price of coal. That is the first idea which underlies this Bill. The effort is made in this Bill to fix the coal owner in the price which he takes for his coal. How far can the Bill attempt to limit his prices? The standard of increase which is allowed is based largely on the increased expenses of collieries, expenses which are due to war conditions. During the speech of my hon. friend who opposed this Bill, he was interrupted by my hon. friend the member for Mansfield (Sir A. Markham), and in these two gentlemen we had, I think, at once an illustration of the trouble which we have in arriving at anything like a standard by which to gauge these additional expenses incurred during the war. There is no doubt that in the case of some of the collieries with which I understand my hon. friend is connected, being in rather old workings, the expenses went up in. greater proportion than in the case of the collieries with which my hon. friend the member for Mansfield is concerned. Even if that hon. member were, as he very often does in this House, to give us the benefit of his private experience, I dare say that he would tell us that in the case of some of the older collieries with which he is connected the expenses have risen during the war in a much greater degree than in the case of some of the newer collieries. With the great variety of plant, workings, and coal fields throughout Great Britain, it is almost impossible to say beforehand what has been the added expense of any one colliery. All that we have been able to do is to take out some of the various items, and to attempt to assess them by the average. The first added expense to which the collieries have been put comes under the heading of wages. The war bonus awards have added in the Federated area, which stretches from Lancashire to Warwickshire, and includes North Wales, about 15^- per cent, to the amount of wages paid before the war. In Scotland the war bonus amounts to 18f per cent, at the present time. In South Wales it amounts to 17J per cent. In Durham it amounts to 15 per cent, on the average. Of course this depends on the basis on which it is calculated, but for the purpose of my argu- ment, it is immaterial to go into the full technical details with regard to these advances. The important thing is the average. As far as we can ascertain, this means, generally speaking, an added expense to the coal owner, in getting the coal, of something under Is. a ton, rather under Is. a ton in South Wales, and considerably under Is. in many other districts. But, of course, the variations are upwards and downwards, and even in many districts it is quite common to find some cases where it runs up to Is. 6d., and others where it runs as low as 7d. or 8d. Tn the Forest of Dean the addition to wages was 25 per cent, on the standard wages, and that represents something like Is. 6d. extra added to the cost per ton. If you take the country as a whole, as far as I can ascertain, the extra cost of giving the bonus grant will not be below 9d., and will not be above Is. That, how- ever, deals with the war bonus charges only. There have been other rises in wages to which the miners were entitled, and that in itself will also add to the expense of getting coal. Then comes the second heading of materials, the cost of which varies very greatly according to the conditions in the different collieries, and the different districts. In all cases there is a shortage of pit props. The closing of the Baltic against the export of pit props has added greatly to the cost of working. Pit props are not the only items; there are many others. If we were to limit the price for pit props below the market level they would be sent to other markets than our own, whereas we want to have them here. But if you allow for the great increase in the cost of pit props, and the increased cost of other materials, it may be said that the average throughout the whole country, although there are wide variations, will mean an increased cost of over Is. a ton. After these items, then, we must take into account the reduction in output, which in itself has added to the expense of getting coal. Then there is the cost of maintenance, establishment charges, capital charges, all of which are some- thing more or less constant, and being spread over a smaller output will increase the burden so much per ton. When all the extra expenses are added together, the total amount by which the expense of getting the coal has been increased is something over 3s. How much over I cannot say, but the average has not been less than 3s. Some happy coal owners have succeeded in keeping the cost lower than that. Some of them have already placed their contracts at prices under the standard rate named in the Bill. Four shillings was therefore inserted in the Bill as a figure which was fair to the coal owners as a class and individually, and fair also to the consumer. I may add that the position is complicated by the fact that, if less than 4s. had been taken as the amount, it would undoubtedly have an effect on the scale on which wages were measured. In some of the coal fields—in the case of the Forest of Dean, for instance—they have already had a rise of wages based on a 5s. increase. I do not think that the House would care to embark in a reduction of miners’ wages by Statute. I am quite sure that no Minister who attempted any such programme would succeed in getting a Bill through, and I do not intend to place the Forest of Dean miner under any disability so far as this’Bill is concerned. But if we had taken less than 4s. per ton, it would have an effect not only in the Forest of Dean, but in a great many coal areas, and we have to consider, therefore, in fixing the standard, not only the coal owner, but the miner who is employed. The suggestion has been made that, although this Bill may give relief for the future, it does not help those who have already made their contracts, and that appears to be the main ground on which the Bill' is criticised in some quarters. But let the House face squarely the difficulty of dealing with these contracts. Proceeding, Mr. Runciman said if they tore up existing contracts, they would tear up not only contracts with the coal owner, but also thousands of other contracts, which had no direct connection with the coal owner at all, and in all such cases they would have created business injustices and under- taken a task which no sane man would endeavour to undertake unless he were going to reconstruct the whole of commercial England on his own basis and under his own control. But there need be no misapprehension on the part of those who had already fixed their contracts. A great many persons had been looking forward to the introduction of this Bill for some time, and were deferring entering into contracts until the last moment. If there were others who had not been so shrewd, or who had not been in a position to postpone making their contract, they would get the benefit of it when the new contracts came on. The other criticism of the Bill was that it did not apply to the merchants, and that it should have been made to apply to the middleman. He con- fessed, that they had not been able to devise any means by which they could reasonably get hold of the middleman’s profit, except that of taxation. The ordinary factor or mer- chant bought for all sorts of purposes. That had saved the coal owner a good deal of commercial trouble in many cases, and enabled a regular output to be effected. The efforts to control the prices of merchants had baffled everyone who had attempted to deal with that question. He would like to make an exception, however, in the case of London, and the same might apply to other large centres where the distribution of coal for household purposes was at present in few hands. Immediately the report on retail prices was made, he put himself in communication with coal merchants in London. He did not find a coal ring in the ordinary sense, but no doubt there was something in the nature of a market under- standing, which enabled merchants to keep more or less in close proximity, and to keep their prices in fairly close proximity. They were prepared to allow an official of the Board of Trade to look through their books for a long period of years in order that they might see accurately what the annual expenditure had been in many cases, and to find out how those expenses had risen during the period since the war broke out. So far as he could ascertain, the increase in the cost of handling coal in London had been greater than in any of the provincial towns. The members of the London Coal Exchange gave an undertaking that the price of coal was not to exceed the price of coal delivered to depots in London by more than a certain number of shillings per ton in summer, and they gave an undertaking that they would make a similar arrangement in the coming winter. This arrangement depended absolutely upon the publicity wThich was given to it, and he proposed to ask the merchants to give their concurrence. He wished to get from them what would be reasonable prices for their household coal to be distributed in London from time to time, very much in the same way as they published the prices recommended for articles of groceries last August. If that was done it would not neces- sarily be binding on other coal merchants who were not members of the Coal Exchange, but the publicity that was given to it would, he hoped, give an advantage to those who had entered into the undertaking, while not penalising those who were left outside. When the winter came undoubtedly they would have to add to that publicity some particulars as to prices of coal of different qualities. He proposed to ask the local authorities in other parts of the country to do very much what they had done in London, and he hoped that by publicity in other large and populous areas, like Liverpool, Leeds, Birmingham. Glasgow, and Edinburgh, to make it a matter in which a merchant would feel pride in that he was not blackballed as one of the extortioners, and that he had made a reasonable arrangement with the local authorities by bis being within the limit recommended during the period of the war. That arrangement was the only substitute he could suggest instead of the fixing of a maximum price all round. Continuing, Mr. Runciman said he would have been glad