March 20, 1913. THE COLLIERY GUARDIAN. 593 a receiver was that the velocity was reduced, and by this reduction of velocity the water was allowed to collect. Lower down in the paper the outlet valves of the mushroom form were mentioned. This was rather misleading. The mushroom form meant that they must have a stalk projecting into some space, and there they had a clearance, but they could not have the stalk sticking either into the cylinder or into the clearance space, otherwise they got that clearance magnified. A table, by Prof. Peele, was given showing the ratios of actual horse-power required to compress one cubic foot of free air at different pressures. The table only gave the loss as low as 15 per cent., but there were compressors made to-day in which the losses were as low as 10 per cent., and even lower. Therefore the loss at 100 pounds pressure, which was stated in the table at 0’2080, should be, worked on modern lines, 0T85 per brake horse-power. He (the speaker) contended that there were many cases of expediency where it was desirable to have an inbye compressor. He added that every colliery manager ought to bear in mind the almost universal practice adopted by makers of percussion drills, of understating the amount of air used for those drills. In conclusion, the speaker again referred to the difficulty of under- standing the characteristics of compressed air. So few engineers, he said, really understood that air was abso- lutely the reverse of steam. The first fundamental principle of the efficiency of compressed air lay in the reduction of the clearances ; the second in avoiding the dissipation of the heat during the compression. If someone could devise a means whereby the heat could be retained, carried along the pipe, and used expansively, then they would begin to get that efficiency from com- pressed air that they got from electricity and other means. Until they did that, they were dissipating their heat, no matter how they reduced their clearances. Six or seven years ago, Mr. Reavell told the institute that he was taking this matter up, but the speaker was sorry to say that that gentleman had not had the success he hoped to meet with in delivering the air hot and using it hot, from the fact that there was no latent heat. If they had to carry the air any distance, they lost the heat before it got to the machine. Of course, by using hot air they would also do away with the moisture, the freezing up, and a whole lot of trouble. Mr. H. Rhodes said the paper was very interesting, and the remarks of Mr. Abell were equally so. Every- one was quite aware that, the lower the pressure at which they could use compressed air, the greater the efficiency, but there was one point which must not be forgotten. If they were going to use a very low pres- sure they must have good big pipes. In the thin seams that some people had to work, the difference between a 6 inch cast iron pipe and a 3-inch wrought iron or steel pipe was of importance from the point of view of the space occupied. They were too much apt to think about the actual efficiency of the compression, rather than the efficiency and the economy of maintaining their installation. He remembered a case very well where they had a compressor which used to do about 60 pounds. A mile and a half inbye, they got to the end of their tether. Then they put down a two-stage compressor, pressing to 80 pounds, and, on the same pipes, they got about three times as big a pressure at the far end as they used to get when pressing only about 50 pounds. The question of 10 or 20 per cent was not very much, as long as they were getting the work done. The paper was not extraordinarily enthusiastic on the subject of inbye compressors, and his experience con- firmed that attitude in every way. The difficulty that arose in the case he had referred to was not that of supply, nor of water to keep the compressor cool, but they found that the cost of arranging the water supply and cooling the water, came to more than the actual cost of the compressor, although the machine itself was just at the bottom of the shaft. Mr. C. Snow referred to the statement in the paper that “outlet valves, if automatic, are lifted by the pressure of the compressed air in the cylinder; but as the upper surface of the valve, which is usually of the mushroom form, has a greater area than the underside, it takes a somewhat higher pressure to lift the valve than the pressure in the mains. This means some loss.” What he was going to say might sound rather heretical, but he thought he could prove it. Theoretically some loss would occur, as stated, but in practice no increase in the pressure required to expel the air from the cylinder, due to unequal areas, could be detected by the indicator. In a series of diagrams taken on the 72 in. by 42 in. air cylinder at the South Kirkby Colliery by the engineer (Mr. Fowler) at speeds varying from 1 revolution per minute to 11, the pressure in the cylinder did not exceed that in the mains. From 12 revolutions per minute to 32, the pressure required to expel the air rose from zero to 12*7 lb. to the square inch. This seemed to prove very clearly that the excess pressure found was due entirely to friction in the air outlet, and that unequal areas between the upper and lower surfaces of the valves had nothing whatever to do with it. In this particular case, if the unequal areas of the valve had caused an increase in pressure, a uniform excess pressure would have been observed at all revolu- tions between 1 and 11. Of course, if a valve or valves giving a larger outlet area had been used, increase in the pressure required to expel the air would have been absent until a much greater number of revolutions per minute had been attained. With a valve giving an infinitely large area of outlet passage, the pressure in the cylinder would be uniform with that in the main at any speed of the compressor, however great. It might be noted that excess pressure due to the velocity of the air through the outlet passages did not commence until a speed of 97 ft. per second was attained. This seemed to prove that the speed of 60 to 65 feet per second referred to in Mr. Walker’s paper, as stated by a certain firm, was unnecessarily low, and that satisfactory results could be attained at a 50 per cent, higher speed, with a properly designed valve. In further proof that inequality in the areas of the upper and lower surfaces of the outlet valve of an air cylinder had practically nothing to do with the excess pressure, it might be stated that the new valves which had given the results already described had a difference of 28*6 per cent, in area between these surfaces, whereas the valves they replaced gave an excess pressure varying from 19 to 30 pounds at only 22 revolutions per minute, with only 6’4 per cent, difference in area. He did not advance any theory as to why there was no excess pressure caused by the inequality of areas between the upper and lower surfaces of the valve. He merely pointed out that practical tests they had made proved that the excess pressure did not exist. Theoretically, he quite agreed with the statement in the paper that it ought to be there. Mr. H. Jenkins, referring to the cooling of inbye compressors, said in the cases of compressors which they had installed difficulty had manifested itself when they got over 350 cubic feet. Below this there had not been much trouble. He believed many attempts had been made to cool inbye compressors by means of radiators, similar to those used in motor car work, but these were rendered ineffective owing to dust clogging up between the pipes and choking them up. There was not much difficulty in a pit where there was much water, but it was in connection with places where there was no water present, in the shape of water being pumped, that it cropped up. With regard to pressures, the one which they had found most suitable for rock drill, and more particularly hammer-drill work, was about 75 pounds per square inch. They usually reckoned about 80 to 85 pounds on the compressor—depending on the distance, of course, between the compressor and the machines; but the pressure of 75 pounds gave the best results when reckoning air consumption per inch of rock drilled, and was the most general pressure in use, he thought, where compressors were put in for rock- drill purposes only. Any higher pressure resulted in higher air consumption without a corresponding increase of drilling speed. There was also a good deal of waste power in hammer drills, due in some cases to the want of ample lubrication of the cylinders. If they took a test of a hammer drill with the cylinder practically dry they would get a 20 per cent, increased air consumption over that taken when there was ample lubrication present. He was speaking more of hammer drills that had had some little wear. The fact was perhaps due to the oil forming a sort of film round the piston, and making a more tight joint. Mr. Abell said that air consumptions were usually given wrongly as regarded various percussive and other machines used in connec- tion with the compressors. The speaker had found that the most simple way of settling the point was to introduce an airmeter. Mr. H. Walshe maintained that the volumetric efficiency of an air-compressor had very little effect on the operating efficiency of a compressor. The only effect the volumetric efficiency had was that they did not get the full cylinderful of air every time. What air was left in the clearance space at the end of a passage stroke was practically got back out of it on the expansion stroke. He was speaking now of high-speed compressors working with automatic valves. Another statement of Mr. Abell’s with which he could not agree was that the light plate valves were designed to reduce the clearance space. As a matter of fact the clearance spaces (he was speaking now of high - speed com- pressors) in the ports and cylinders had been put in since the introduction of this class of valve. It was not possible to get a clearance space so small. To counter- act the disadvantage—if there was any disadvantage at all in the extra clearance space—they had to have a cylinder slightly larger for the same amount of air—to counteract that they had the very much more efficient operation of the valve itself. A previous speaker had pointed out that the indicator would not show the pressure drop amongst these valves, and this bore out his own experience exactly. The principal source of loss in an air-com pressor was the heating of air. But to say that the water-cooling of a compressor and the applica- tion of inter-coolers to reduce the temperature of the outgoing air was causing a loss of efficiency, was quite a mistake. It improved the efficiency. The gain would be in reducing the temperature of the outlet air to about the atmospheric; that was the best system to work on. As far as the volumetric efficiency of the compressor was concerned, that was a thing that really had to do with design, and people did not sell compressors now on cylinder volume but on a guarantee of the amount of air delivered. The volumetric efficiency was affected very largely by the inlet pipes of a compressor. It was possible to put inlet pipes for a certain length, which would bring about a volumetric efficiency of 100 per cent, and over. That sounded extraordinary, because they could not get something for nothing in this world, but they could get more than the full cylinderful if they put on an inlet pipe of the correct length and diameter, which would induce an air surge at the inlet* He exhibited a number of diagrams, showing the effect of an inlet pipe where the air was induced to flow in. He thought there was a good deal more to be said in favour of the high-speed compressor. The high-speed compressors designed by up-to-date high-speed engine makers were all on the forced-lubrication system. They required less attention, and ran for a long time without oil. He had figures by him which he got through from an installation in South Africa—four 1,000-horse power air-compressors at New Modderfontein. The engineer there wrote to tell them that he used 1 pint of oil every 24 hours, and he (the speaker) thought that would bear comparison with anything. There was also the saving in buildings and foundations, and the accessibility, to be considered. He thought the high-speed type were just as accessible as the slow-speed, not to mention that the high-speed vertical compressor was built with its bed and one solid foundation was all that it required, while a slow-speed horizontal compressor wanted lining up, and wanted some keeping in line, too. Mr. P. O. Davis said that, with regard to the com- parative efficiency of small electrically-driven com- pressors inbye and large compressors on the pithead, he did not think that, taking into consideration the losses in electrical transmission, the loss in generation on the pitbank, the transmission and the reconversion into mechanical energy in the motor below, there was really very much in it. Of course there were other reasons why perhaps inbye compressors should be used, and one was the question of leakage in air pipes. But in cases where pipes had been laid above ground, or underground, the various experiments that had been made on them had shown that there was very little actual loss due to leakage. There was a 20-mile compressed air trans- mission at work in South Africa now where he believed the actual loss due to leakage did not run to more than about 4 per cent, on the whole transmission. Turning to the question of moisture present in air, he said the actual effect of moisture on the efficiency of compression was practically negligible ; but moisture in itself was a rather important thing to be taken into consideration with regard to the design of a pipe line, as provision had to be made for intercepting it at low-lying portions of the line. With regard to the formation of ice in compressed air tubes, he had always had the opinion—though he might be wrong in this—that it was not due so much to ice in the form of humidity as to entrained moisture, or moisture which could be separated out, and therefore the provision of a water separator in front of a compressed-air tool would tend to reduce ice formation. Of course, in tropical climates the effect of moisture became very considerable. In one case in India, he believed, the trouble had been cured by putting a desiccator, filled with calcium chlorate, in front of the inlet. A point which had been brought out by some of the other speakers, and which he thought was very important, was the measurement of air for compressors. He thought that when tests with com- pressors were published, the means by which the air was measured should be definitely stated. Perhaps the term “ delivery coefficient ” would meet the requirements. This volumetric efficiency, dr delivery coefficient, was a very indefinite quantity, unless they had carried out actual tests of the air taken out, and compared these with the indicator diagram. Of course, there were several ways of measuring the air actually taken out. One method was to pump out all the receivers. Another which was very valuable, and was used for turbo-